Why waste time watch many show when one show do trick? It's my dream. Angela [00:49:18] Yeah. They lost to a shorthanded Packers team a couple weeks ago, but that was a close game. This is the scene that would have been set up by that Michael Holly scene earlier where Michael's going to talk to Todd. I'm not quiet, I'm pensive. Jenna [00:51:44] He's thrilled. Angela [00:07:19] And now he has a whole episode. I've been hard to deal with over the past years. Angela [00:13:57] I was waiting for this. Jenna [00:32:29] Aww. Jenna [00:28:20] The other one's maybe three and a half. Creed [00:15:36] Cool. Todd Packer [00:17:16] Do you have any more questions for me? Angela [00:07:14] Right. She says first is Bill Cosby. But she holds firm and kind of says, I cannot replace your computer unless it breaks all the way. tells GMMR that one of his favorite Office scenes comes from this episode. And that whole moment didn't make it in, just the line. Angela [00:52:30] Well, Gerald, guess what? "In rewatching this episode, Angela, I was very uncomfortable. So they went on and they started shooting the fourth episode, thinking, We'll go back to this. Like, I can't think of anything else. Just like you, Angela! And each week they wrote a review of our Office episodes after they aired live. Angela [00:07:41] I love it. Angela [00:30:03] I think that's great because I sort of remember that it went viral before people knew that you could monetize a YouTube video. Angela [00:04:29] It might have gotten a C. I'm going to share it today. Who else in the office has slept together? major league field coordinator salary. Angela [00:58:55] This gets four dongs up. Angela [00:47:18] I love a good insta story. Afterwards, Packer reveals . He's also a huge boob nerd. When office administrator Pam Halpert (Jenna Fischer) gets a new computer for the receptionist's desk to replace the older model, Andy Bernard (Ed Helms) wants a new computer, too. Wow. Angela [00:50:12] So here's the thing. Jenna [00:22:45] Well, check it out. Here's what it says: In case you haven't heard, big ups are due to the lovely and talented Ms. Amelie Gillette, who will be joining the writing staff of The Office. Angela [00:12:18] I don't know if I've seen that all the way through. Which is the same answer I gave when this question was asked a few days ago. They want Packer out, by any mean. This is what I found. Jenna [00:33:49] Okay. I remember the crazy legs part. Creed [00:15:08] I'll try again. So Michael starts to try to justify why Todd Packer also has other things going on in his life, just like everyone else, right? First, Todd is going to pepper Jim and Pam about their married sex life, and Dwight is going to try to give Todd some hot chocolate with a laxative in it. Angela [00:53:34] He's so excited. Angela [00:11:25] How bad could it be? Jenna [00:54:47] Oh, my gosh. Packer repeatedly offends everybody with his jokes, especially Kevin Malone (Brian Baumgartner), although Kevin pretends to play along. Milton Levine. Angela [00:42:25] Hmm. The episode was written by Amelie Gillette and directed by Randall Einhorn . Angela [00:42:48] They're delicious. Meanwhile, Pam sympathized with Erin's placement at reception, and got her a new computer. Jenna [00:13:06] Hmm. Angela [00:35:51] I know. Makes me laugh every time, when Jim's like, This isn't my best, but I could call Froggy 101, say, we're the tour manager for Justin Bieber and we're giving out free tickets and we give a number to call for the tickets, and it's Packers! Angela [00:12:57] I'm not sticking around for the zombies. He sings about the importance of hometowns. The episode received mixed reviews from critics; while many did not enjoy the character of Todd Packer, others praised the temporary alliance between Jim and Dwight. Jenna [00:00:06] We were on The Office together. "[Dave] said something I thought was so sweet and just insightful into Michael," Kinsey explained. The gang is upset when traveling salesman Todd Packer is offered a permanent sales position in the office. Pam says "united front" a little too quickly and looks guilty/scared. Holly and Packer sit together. Apparently, as soon as corporate found out I wanted to come in off the road, Jo offered me a cushy new job in Tallahassee, which got a four dongs up rating on the hit that dot com. Jenna [00:39:42] It did. They had hired an actor and it just wasn't working. Angela [00:28:08] They're tiny. Angela [00:11:53] Would you be someone who would have a bunker? Jenna [00:13:08] Yeah. Jenna [00:40:52] Well, it's got cake, a layer of caramel, and it's sort of covered in chocolate. If you guys out there know more about it, let me know. Mr. Levine once said of his company's success, Most novelties, if they last one season, it's a lot. Dunderpedia: The Office Wiki is a FANDOM TV Community. They're all like, this is a fake apology. Jenna [00:09:37] He said you just do your best and not all episodes end up costing the same. I guess that's the problem when you take what was originally a two-minute scene and stretch it out over the course of a half-hour episode. Sepinwall was further critical of the main story, calling it "flat and uncomfortable". Jenna [00:53:50] This was another step on the trail of Michael becoming more mature, becoming the man that he needs to be to marry Holly. Jenna [00:39:33] You know, when I watched this scene, it did make me wonder if Billie Eilish thought that Justice Beaver was a real crime fighting beaver. [12], Myles McNutt of The A.V. Angela [00:54:20] But it said, Holly says, You ahh, with emotion. Angela, we got a fan question about this! We felt that anyone who is friends with Amelie should no longer write about the show, so we've brought in TV critic, scholar and Office fan Miles McNutt, who we're sure will do an excellent job and never befriend Amelie. I can't believe I'm saying that. Dave is such a sweet, sweet, sweetheart. Angela [00:22:49] I know. He and I came up together as salesmen. Michael says, Hmm. He is very envious that Pam bought a new one for the reception desk. Jenna [00:08:43] Yeah, he would have to meet with our production accountant who was named Carolyn Hays. Creed [00:15:31] So what can I do? Well, he wants me to. Ryan Howard Is Rehired Another employee who shouldn't be working at Dunder Mifflin is Ryan Howard. I use a thermos. [10][11] Despite this, the episode became the highest-rated NBC program for the original week it aired and also became the sixteenth most-watched show for the week of broadcast among adults aged 1849. They call him, pretending to be corporate offering him a job in Tallahassee, Florida, a job which Packer readily accepts. Michael Scott [00:37:55] No. Jenna [00:30:10] That's absolutely right. Angela [00:41:57] I'm pretty sure. Angela [00:59:10] Well public service announcement: don't laxative someone. Angela [00:22:20] Dwight is going to move to the annex and a bunch of people are going to head on over there to complain. Jenna [00:30:41] I think they're getting hungry. He has to try to explain that you can't give Todd a cup of hot chocolate with a laxative in it. All the subtext. did pam sleep with todd packer Angela [00:19:51] Flow. Packer and Angela. Angela [00:43:01] Mm hmm. Angela [00:13:17] Just saying. The episode shows the Scranton office receiving a refresher on the company's sexual harassment policy after an upper-level manager was let go for sexual harassment. Angela [00:51:24] Mm hmm. And apparently Andy has a lot of rules for his mods. Angela [00:01:08] I mean, yeah. Jenna [00:38:05] Wow. Who has kissed? Jenna [00:04:09] Yeah. We're gonna scoooore tonight. Angela [00:20:58] So what'd they do? Jenna [00:18:36] I didn't get that one. Check out these graphic novels. She didn't stay with the label for long, having eventually signed with Sony Music Nashville, before leaving them in August 2016 for Concord Music Group. Jenna [00:33:29] Yes. That's making me happy. Unwilling to let it go, Andy convinces Erin Hannon (Ellie Kemper) into trading computers with him. Angela [00:47:12] This book sounds adorable. Stuck on "Wordle" #578? And did you know that they ended up selling this video as an NFT for $760,000 at an auction? Did you not see us? I mean, I read the review. I remember it. But they had to set this budget not really knowing any scripts specifically. This is the peanut butter candy cake. Includes Address (5) Phone (15) Email (9) See Results. Angela [00:56:51] Five. Well, I'm asking you nicely. I was thinking, I wish I had a Tastykake right now. Angela [00:43:39] Right? Then she would look down by her feet and say, And I've got so much more room down here, I can have crazy legs. No, you ahh. You know, in her final talking head, Pam says she's full on corrupt. He did, however, enjoy the fact that Packer's antics caused Jim and Dwight to unite in the face of a common enemy, a plot that McNutt said "had a scrappy feel to it". And I just want to point out they're calling from a phone in the annex. Best Friends Forever. Resides in Hawkins, TX. perspective. On the Against All Odds with Cousin Sal podcast, he makes up 90% of the brains and 20% of the weight of the "Degenerate Trifecta.". Angela [00:51:39] I know. But every single time, Steve as Michael locked eyes with me, I lost it. I want to deliver the line like that, though. Jenna [00:37:22] Yeah. Jenna [00:13:59] All right. Angela [00:28:43] And Charlie is cracking up. Jenna [00:25:17] I know. To each other almost daily. Jenna [00:37:09] Oh, my gosh. [3] The episode was directed by longtime series director Randall Einhorn, and was his second credit for the season after "The Sting". We have a lot to share about that one. Todd Packer Transcript. So then I went on to work on something else. Packer is on his best behavior. Angela [00:19:30] Cassi. The scene opens with Todd trying to charm Holly about his love of music and who his favorite musician is. Jenna [00:56:35] He sure is. He's been planning for years. Of course. Merideth slept with a vendor to get discounts (including steak house). Apology has been issued and we're through with it. I love that shirt. Michael overhears the call and goes to tell Packer that Dwight and Jim have tricked him. This episode aired on February 24th, 2011. Ooh, Don't you want to drink it? Absolutely. This is his moment. Angela [00:12:59] I'm not sticking around for them. Best Quality Product Distributor - Worldwide Angela [00:09:14] That sounds so intimidating to me. Angela [00:47:32] Mmhmm. Jenna [00:14:52] Yeah, And we could not get through it. Dave Koechner, of course, played Todd Packer. It's gotta be hard to believe that he is not like Todd Packer for some people, but if you met him he is just the warmest, kindest gentleman," Fischer added. Manage all your favorite fandoms in one place! I had to order these through the mail. Pam, Jim, Meredith, Ryan, Oscar. Angela [00:58:43] I have not seen this. Jenna [00:03:52] He really liked Jim and Dwight banding together. Jenna [00:59:15] Thank you for listening to Office Ladies. Angela [00:04:25] Oh, well, there was more of Todd Packer in the shooting draft. You're sitting on a bomb that's about to explode! Jim, Pam, Kelly, Ryan, and Meredith ask Holly why she hired Tom Packer, to which she says that he seemed nice to her. All Rights Reserved. Angela [00:01:34] Its balmy in here. You should go down there. Okay, you know what? Angela [00:32:18] Mr. Levine, he was quoted as saying this about the ants. Age -- Todd Packer Tampa, FL (New Tampa) View Full Report Phone Current Address Age 40s Todd S Packer Wantagh, NY (Hempstead) View Full Report Used To Live In Andy is going to ask Pam to speak to him privately, please. Does anyone else suspect that something happened with Pam and Packer? Facebook. Well, lady, that's all I got. Did you know what Solent was? What makes you guys cringe? Jenna [00:34:00] I first saw the deleted scene about Holly's friend Lois in 2015. Jenna [00:56:56] Agreed. Angela [00:54:27] I know. Jim and Dwight decide to prank Packer, but Dwight hates Jim's best idea; to make it so that his desk drawer only opens two inches. Pam Beesly wishing Todd Packer was not at her desk. In season 7 episode 18 Todd Packer comes off the road and joins the office once more. Jenna [00:45:29] It's sort of like a union for musicians. No one needs to be here. When Todd Packer gives up a life on the road for a desk job in Scranton, Michael is the only one happy about the situation. Did Pam sleep with Packer? Sam [00:43:03] Like, the Tastykake horse is here. Jenna [00:37:14] I want a whole play written based on that dialogue right there on those lines. Jenna [00:19:47] Cassi's our wild card. Angela [00:11:23] Mm hmm. Meanwhile, Pam uses her power as Office Administrator to help Andy get a new computer. This is a fan question from Ella S in Washington, who said, I believe the actor who played Todd Packer auditioned first to play Michael Scott. It originally aired on NBC on February 24, 2011. Holly [00:17:18] Um no. [10] This means that it was seen by 3.2% of all 18- to 49-year-olds, and 9% of all 18- to 49-year-olds watching television at the time of the broadcast. Jenna [00:13:32] Yeah. For a majority of the series, Packer is the traveling salesman for the Dunder-Mifflin Scranton branch. Michael has, I think, the most sexual partners of all the main office characters, as least as depicted in the episodes, although we're led to believe secondary character Meredith has lots of indiscriminate sex, and therefore lots of partners. I'm a smooth rider? Angela [00:13:14] Yeah. Playing Snake. You're so tickled. This scene would have continued with Michael and Holly in the annex at Holly's desk. And there are zero alligator subspecies. Maybe get yourself some Tastykakes. Oh, my gosh. Erin gave it to him, and Pam is not happy. Jenna [00:22:30] Mm hmm. Like my glass has a little bit of like a frosty side. Todd Packer. You have to hear it. These do have gluten in them, but I think I can eat one bite. Blech. Angela [00:01:21] Jenna was the first person here today at Earwolf, and apparently she found the thermostat, cause it was pretty chilly today and Jenna cranked it. Jenna [00:32:40] Wow. Angela [00:56:33] He's going to call bull (BLEEP) on that. So I didn't include it. Pam Packer We found 21 records for Pam Packer in LA, AZ and 10 other states. He's so bad at espionage. Todd Packer [00:17:19] I just want to add one last thing. Visually entertaining? Jenna [00:04:29] Oh, no. Angela [00:56:35] I'm calling this scene bull (BLEEP) in the break room. At 9 minutes, you'll notice no logo again on the back of that monitor. Pam mccabe Pamela's near me? why did kamikaze pilots have samurai swords. So many rules. Who else can I connect Todd Packer to? But I looked up this family. Okay. The ant farm featured in this episode is an Uncle Milton ant farm. Michael and Carol had a short-lived relationship. Todd and Holly had an extra beat in that conference room. Office Ladies #152 Jim (John Krasinski) and Dwight (Rainn Wilson) have had enough of Todd Packer (David Koechner), so they hatch a plan to get rid of him. And she starts to kick her legs around. "It's true, everyone. Jenna [00:45:58] He sure does. And then he makes fun of Kevin's weight. Jenna [00:20:45] They said that we had to lose the Apple logo on the back of Erin's monitor or they were going to pixilate it for us. Find Pam Packer's phone number, address, and email on Spokeo, the leading online directory for contact information. Angela [00:22:46] But also, what happened to Fluffy? Angela [00:19:34] You know what? Angela [00:51:45] Yeah, he says that, You know what? Well, we got some fan mail about Charlie bit my finger from Brie F in Saint Pete, Florida, who said, Hi, ladies. Angela [00:22:43] I did not see that. Angela [00:55:47] Dwight kisses his desk. And I can't even remember what I had for dinner that night. Dwight [00:15:18] Your skull will be made a soup bowl. Angela [00:44:28] It's exactly as it's written. Erin is preoccupied with the ant farm. That's more Todd Packer for you. Michael and Carol had a short-lived relationship. Angela [00:04:12] Oh, well, then that's a tough that's a tough episode to review. Angela [00:06:57] I could hear Kate Flannery's laugh. Jenna [00:30:35] She keeps inserting and saying things like, You know, if you're not going to take it, I can take it. Read anything good lately? It seems highly unlikely that he would, since he was always in love with Pam! Dwight angrily throws out Holly's miniature zen gardens and remarks, "What do you grow in this, bullcrap? They want to know why she hired Todd. Select the best result to find their address, phone number, relatives, and public records. Erin and Ryan (when they were in Florida)? Jenna [00:49:09] Yeah. Michael is delighted. Spewing awesomeness all over the web! At 3 minutes, 22 seconds, I wrote down "double sneer". Sorry, Miles. Shortly after Koechner and Steve Carell starred in Anchorman together, The Office show-runners brought him back to audition for Todd Packer and he nailed it. So, you know the musicians that enter with Ryan in that scene? Also, when she worked there, she did not write the reviews, but she did write an article about the 2007 Office convention. When they pretend to argue about it in front of the office, Pam claims that she found it in the warehouse. Their offspring would have taken over the world!! Jenna [00:33:18] I can't wait. And Michael's like, Okay, that didn't turn out how I wanted it to. Angela [00:31:05] Yes. Angela [00:27:50] I mean, isn't it like that one of the most viewed YouTube videos ever? Jenna [00:31:39] The thing that fascinates me about this because as a parent I have looked into the ant farm, is that they send you a little tube of ants. Share on Facebook (opens in a new window), Share on Flipboard (opens in a new window). I can tell when you're tired. It's a humongous monitor. Jenna [00:12:20] The bowling alley dance? Pam says, It's okay, honey. 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